Episodes – 12+4
Video – 1280×720 @ crf 15
Audio – 2.0 FLAC
Subs – Mazui, Static Subs (ED2, ED5, ED8), CoalKirino (ED1, ED3, Extra TLs)
Torrent
In order to keep the option of doing season 2 available, I felt I needed to fix this series. I fixed a few errors in the subs, and re-encoded to 10-bit. I also did the ED a little different this time, concentrating more on the video and less on the credits. I am still not sure if I will do season 2 or not, but this changes it from a definite “no” to a “maybe”.
Yeah, Amagami BDs are progressive. The BD’s look alright, much better than the tv version I guess that’s what counts the most. There’s some aliasing in the OP, and here and there but it’s not too bad. I’ve seen much worse.
There hasn’t been any specs announced for Ore Imo bd’s yet so it’s hard to know what they’ll be, but generally going by shows that either have interlaced credits in the OP or ED they typically end up being hard telecined to 1080i30 even though deinterlacing the credits would be much more sensible as to not ruin the quality of 90% of the video which is 1080p24.
Then again, I don’t know of any interlaced AIC Blu-Ray released on a monthly basis.
good to hear about using mazui subs will be looking forward to your releases, also how do you know what thora is gonna be releasing in the future, did you ask them on the IRC?
See following link.
http://privatepaste.com/c10f493fad
or tl;dr
VIDEO:
Codec Bitrate Description
—– ——- ———–
MPEG-4 AVC Video 35883 kbps 1080i / 29.970 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1
I guess you now know of a monthly Aniplex BD that is 1080i. Japanese studios are too lazy to fix up things like interlaced credits and the result is we get 1080i BDs.
Yeah. This BD is strange to begin with. They made 2 NCOPs at 1080i, and no NCEDs, and included the TV credited ones as bonus tracks.
Guess I gotta do my first VFR show since Maria Holic.
I’ve yatta’d about half of it so far, most of it is straight forward. All I had to do was make a bunch of lossless from the bd’s and create keyframes for all of them and just load the avi’s straight into yatta, set a pattern across the length, load the keyframes (xvid pass 1) into it and just do a quick check through for any weird cuts. The character commentary are a good 90% 30fps with only the fullscreen episode sections pulled down which there is like 1 or 2 of them each. I havent had to fix up any ghosting from bad telecining or any of that other shit annoying stuff yet. The only problem you’ll run into is the ED’s. I’ve done one of them so far, and having already done a few tv ep encodes and dealt them with in vfr they require some mucking around to get right, and you won’t get them perfect at 30fps, you’ll have to field match some areas, half field match some, no field match some (c match only) and you may even come across one or two scenes that require full decimation because some frame pans jerk worse at 30fps with dupe frames left in than they do without. Double rate’ing them doesn’t help all that much. You end up picking between jerky credits or jerky video, the video is much more noticable than the credits is.
Actually, the tricky part was the NCOP splicing. For EDs, I always choose jerky picture over jerky credits since usually the jerking is unnoticeable, but it seems it was this time. Normally I just do ordered chapters to not worry about this, but it changes each episode, so that’s kind of silly.
nice, but i wish it was 1080p :<
but i hope it will come and merry christmas everyone ^^
So this release is interlaced, huh? Interesting. That’s quite strange there were no NCEDs included, normally there are. I am glad though that Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai Vol. 1 got released so quickly.
I’m curious what you found tough about splicing the creditless in? It’s extremely simple to do, especially simple with this show since there’s a clear distinction on where the op starts/finishes unlike some shows where you have to frame count the original based on chapter points because they fade in from black and fade out to black.
http://privatepaste.com/6ff3e6516d
This is all you need to do to splice the creditless in in the case of oreimo.
Obviously it’s lacking ivtc and stuff but that doesn’t change anything since audio runs the same length provided you don’t over/under decimate what you want to splice in.
All you’d do from there is just write the appended audio to a file and encode it, and you’ve got a perfect splice. If you’re trying to splice only the video, that’s when you’ll run into all kinds of headaches. The only time you wouldn’t splice in the audio is if you also have a commentary track which in that case just need to make sure the op/ed you trim out matches the frame length of the creditless op/ed you trim in.
If you mean the tricky part was where to trim in/out for the creditless version, in most cases you’ll come across there will be 1 or 2 seconds of video padding before/after your actual real video. Oreimo’s authorer uses a 1 second pad either side of the playable video, which is 30 frames obviously since its 30fps. Frame 30 (31st frame) will be the first real video frame, and same with the final 30 frames of the m2ts. They are just padding. Once you trim the padding frames off you end up with a frame exact creditless version of the original op which you just splice back into your main episodes video/audio sequence.
That happens to have been exactly what I did, although I makes my trims after IVTC, so it was 24 on both sides.
megaupload or fileserve please?
ChrisK: coming …
It’s too bad this was interlaced. Glad you picked this up all the same.
That is so weird that made interlaced?! Craziness. Anyway thank you for the release.
Thanks for the release and Merry x’mas.
ew Mazui
Why no FLAC?
But it is.
True end fucking where
@coalgirls
Thanks for choosing this anime.
I really thought it’d never happen (with coalgirls, I mean), but now I have to say: the bitrate of this release is too low. One can see artefacts in many dim scenes. Gradient fills are mess sometimes.
I hope that there’ll be re-coded v2 in the final batch – with size at least 600Mb per Ep.
Well, Merry Christmas =)
5:30-5:37 seems to be lagging a little or is it just me.. cuz it didn’t seem to skip that much on the original tv ones.
I hope your not the only ones doing this BD’s. If I get all my BD’s from you.. they’ll start calling me a coalgirls whore.
Merry Christmas :]
Looks like some other fansub group released their own version of Oreimo Volume 1 with translated animated commentary =b. (Check nyaatorrent) Why didn’t you guys do the same?
Thank you for the release, and Merry Christmas!
Wish I had something better to offer than constructive criticism but this isn’t quite up to your usual standard. The gradients are distinctly banded and dithered on the encode; perhaps it needs more bitrate, or if the source is this bad (which seems likely if this was a rushed 1080i Blu-ray encode), perhaps some more careful filtering would sort it out.
You may also need to patch episode 01 to a v2, because the chapter marks are off: You’ve put the Chapter Episode on 01 at 03:59 instead of where it should be, at 02:59. A typo?
In any case, thanks!
very nice job with this series so far…
=D
OK, so the banding was visible. I thought it was just me nitpicking. v2 will be easy enough, since most work was prepping the encode and the subtitles. I’ll work on it later, since it’s Christmas.
thanks for 720p I hate 1080i
oh..
waiting for v2
i dunno why u all talk about 1080i, i can see on Thora’s site they rls this in 1080p so what is the mess about 1080i? ^^;
@puma just because something says 1080p doesn’t mean it really is 1080p. The source is 1080i max from what I’ve gathered from here. If that is true then there is no way THORA or KiraSubs is a true 1080p.
Can someone post a comparison between this and thora’s to see if there’s any significant difference? thanks.
@Baka
Nope. The two are completely different resolutions.
@[SIEGE] Xack
Huh? That’s why i’m hoping someone would post a screen shot. To see if 720 would suffice.
Resize coalgirl’s to 1080 then compare it with thora’s.
I do hope you get my point.
My connection speed is really slow so it would take a lot of time before i could download both version.
@Baka
I’ll see what I can do. I just find it to be a weird comparison. ┐(￣ー￣)┌
@Baka
Here are the comparisons. The first is CoalGirl’s, and the second (mouse over) is Thora’s. I did not re-size Thora’s since it would not be much of a comparison then. Kind of a bad comparison even now. =/ The ending credits for the Coalgirl’s release is a bit jerky. Hopefully fixed in V2.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/15996
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/15997
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/15998
Xack,
There are two scenes at the middle of ED1 that will always be jerky since they are jerky on the BD too.
@[SIEGE] Xack
oh, you missed my point sir. if coalgirls’ oreimo was resized to the same resolution as thora’s which one would look better. if both of them looks the same, then i’m sticking with coalgirls else if thora slightly looks better then i’m going for thora. anyway, thanks for the screenies.
@ar
Yeah, I just took a look at the BD too. That is pretty bad jerking. Thora seemed to handle it pretty well then.
@Baka
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This was a comparison MA15 did between my personal 1080p vfr raw and Thora’s 1080p release. Seems to be some weird artifacting on Thoras + hell of a lot of aliasing that was never there to begin with, most probably from the method I think adenozin used to get the ED down to 23.976fps. Personally I’d prefer the slight jerk over killing video quality. The ED was the only part affected afaik. The rest should be fine. There’s no real method to get this right, it’s just whatever your preference is. Even decimated properly though it’s a bad pan to begin with.
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/15695
Actually, can somebody point out a banded frame? I went through, and it seems like all gradients and places I’d expect to be banded were smooth, except for like the bookshelf in episode 1, which I think was supposed to be like that.
@coalgirls
The major banding is at the start of episode 1 which requires some heavy grain to fix and will look horrible. Other than that, the lounge cushions might have some banding iirc. I haven’t seen your encodes just going from what I saw of my own even after I added grain and debanded it. There was some resident banding left which wasn’t worth fixing.
Ah. Yeah, that’s what I thought. I just debanded it though, and it looks good enough.
@ar
Thora killed it with what ever sharpening method they used. =_=
@coalgirls
Nothing extraordinary from your encode that I really noticed.
Reading the discussion about encoding this video it seems that if one is a casual encoder of video…this BD is a pain in the ass to encode nicely.
@abit
It’s a pain in the ass even if you aren’t a casual encoder! lol
Anything that requires the use of YATTA (and creating nodecimate areas aka vfr) is a pain in the ass in my humble opinion (it’s not hard just a time consuming exercise)!
I probably spent 4-5hrs all up preparing the source for encoding (including making chapters and trimming and etc.)
A normal progressive BD takes around 1-1.5hrs to prepare for encoding.
@ar
With OreImouto – is possible to get around the problems the ED gives by encoding it separately? Or is encoding the body of the episode also a pain?
ReFrames : 16 frames
not DXVA compliant T.T
@abit
I prepare all the parts separately (my preferred way to do it) and merge the inverse telecined lossless avi’s for the actual x264 raw encode. The ED will need to be vfr, so all I do is take the v1 timecodes and add the total frames prior to the ED (prologue+op+partA+partB) to the 30fps section frame start/ends since the timecodes output I get start at the first frame of the ED. I find this way easier, but you can do it all as one.
I just like being able to prepare the ED individually because sometimes it might take a few lossless encodes to get it right and it takes much more time to ivtc/filter 39000 odd frames than it does 2600 odd.
Plus it takes me around 1.5hrs to filter/deinterlace/field match the ED (which is nearly as long as the rest of the episode takes to create a lossless avi for).
tl;dr It’s definitely easier to split the preparation work up in cases like this just requires a little extra work to put it all back together at the end.
@ar
Gotcha. Playing around trying to encode has made me learn more about video stuff as I’m more of a casual encoder.
Coalgirls or ar –
So, for the body of the episode…is it okay to inverse telecine and encode at 23.97fps?
@abit
Yes everything but the ed will be ivtc’d/decimated to 24fps. The EDs will be 24/30.
Ep01 VFR Timecodes
# timecode format v1
Assume 23.976023976024
16,2635,29.97
Ep02 ED VFR Timecodes
# timecode format v1
Assume 23.976023976024
8,2627,29.97
The first few and last few cycles of each ED (before rolling credits and after they end) should be decimated to 24fps the rest just field matched/deinterlaced and left at 30fps.
@puma99dk|
Because most people, don’t know the difference between interlacing and telecining. 1080i can be either interlaced or telecined (or mixed) and those two are fundamentally very different. Aside from the a credits, the Imouto BD is a perfect telecine and can be easily and losslessy inversed to its 1080p form.
(Real interlacing and telecining are so different that no encoder in his right mind would ever call a telecined video interlaced.)
@abit
This BD is not any harder than a full progressive one, it’s a piece of cake actually. The telecining is just one single pattern over the whole episode, it’s the easiest IVTC job you could ever imagine. You don’t even need a IVTC tool for it, just the basic avisynth corefilters are enough: separatefields().selectevery(10,0,1,2,3,4,7,8,9).weave() – although doublechecking with yatta’s Vmetric search for safety is a must for a somewhat serious encoder of course (there’s one combed frame).
The ED is merely the classic choice between jerky credits (ivtc), jerky video (deinterlace) or both fluid video and credits with a tiny bit of loss (bob+mvtools); DVD encoders have been dealing with this for almost a decade.
And splicing in a clean OP is as easy as breathing, especially video alone.
@ar
The credits are a straight interlace and the background is a straight telecine; if you’re fieldmatching in 30fps sections, you’re doing it wrong.